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#Blend 是“Blur Lending”的简称，#Blur 旗下的借贷平台。由白皮书可知，该协议主打“无需预言机、无期限、可清算、支持任意抵押品（包括 #NFT）的点对点借贷”，用户可以将手中的NFT抵押换取加密货币，也可以低首付（BNPL）购买NFT。目前只支持三个系列： #Cryptopunks、#Azuki 和 #Miladies。
#Blend 是“Blur Lending”的简称，#Blur 旗下的借贷平台。由白皮书可知，该协议主打“无需预言机、无期限、可清算、支持任意抵押品（包括 #NFT）的点对点借贷”，用户可以将手中的NFT抵押换取加密货币，也可以低首付（BNPL）购买NFT。目前只支持三个系列： #Cryptopunks、#Azuki 和 #Miladies。
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流程
对于贷款人来说，在创建贷款报价时需要确定两件事：贷款量（“我想借出多少 ETH？”）和 APY 利率（“我想获得多少利率？”）。所有贷款都是无限期的，因此无需设置到期时间。
流程
对于贷款人来说，在创建贷款报价时需要确定两件事：贷款量（“我想借出多少 ETH？”）和 APY 利率（“我想获得多少利率？”）。所有贷款都是无限期的，因此无需设置到期时间。
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贷款人可以随时收回借出款项，借款人有 30 小时的时间直接偿还，或接受新贷款偿还第一笔贷款。如果借款人既不偿还贷款也不接受再融资，贷款人将在 30 小时期限结束后收到 #NFT，即便它的价值远高于贷款金额。当贷方触发再融资拍卖并且没有人愿意以任何利率接管债务时，NFT 可能会被清算。
贷款人可以随时收回借出款项，借款人有 30 小时的时间直接偿还，或接受新贷款偿还第一笔贷款。如果借款人既不偿还贷款也不接受再融资，贷款人将在 30 小时期限结束后收到 #NFT，即便它的价值远高于贷款金额。当贷方触发再融资拍卖并且没有人愿意以任何利率接管债务时，NFT 可能会被清算。
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Series 10: Real Builder in Winter | @JPEGd_69 – Tham Vọng Quá Lớn Liệu Có Thành Công?
Thread bao gồm:
1⃣ Tổng quan về #JPEG'd
2⃣ Hành trình & Thành tựu đầu tiên
3⃣ Vì sao JPEG'd khiến mình ấn tượng
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Series 10: Real Builder in Winter | @JPEGd_69 – Tham Vọng Quá Lớn Liệu Có Thành Công?
Thread bao gồm:
1⃣ Tổng quan về #JPEG'd
2⃣ Hành trình & Thành tựu đầu tiên
3⃣ Vì sao JPEG'd khiến mình ấn tượng
Retweet để ủng hộ @HakResearch nhen mọi người ơi!
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1⃣ Tổng quan về #JPEG'd
🧙♂️ Định nghĩa về @JPEGd_69
JPEG'd là một nền tảng CDP là viết tắt của Collateralized Debt Position tương tự như Maker DAO đã quá nổi tiếng với DAI trên Ethereum, tương tự vậy JPEG'd chấp nhận các tài sản thế chấp là những bộ
1⃣ Tổng quan về #JPEG'd
🧙♂️ Định nghĩa về @JPEGd_69
JPEG'd là một nền tảng CDP là viết tắt của Collateralized Debt Position tương tự như Maker DAO đã quá nổi tiếng với DAI trên Ethereum, tương tự vậy JPEG'd chấp nhận các tài sản thế chấp là những bộ
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sưu tập NFT Blue-chip như #CryptoPunks, #EtherRocks, #BAYC, #MAYC, #Doodles, #Azuki, Pudgy Penguins, CloneX hay Autoglyphs để phát hành ra #pUSD (stablecoin) hoặc #pETH.
Có thể hiểu rằng pUSD và pETH sẽ là trọng tâm trong việc phát triển của JPEG'd bao gồm xây
sưu tập NFT Blue-chip như #CryptoPunks, #EtherRocks, #BAYC, #MAYC, #Doodles, #Azuki, Pudgy Penguins, CloneX hay Autoglyphs để phát hành ra #pUSD (stablecoin) hoặc #pETH.
Có thể hiểu rằng pUSD và pETH sẽ là trọng tâm trong việc phát triển của JPEG'd bao gồm xây
✨ @gmoneyNFT has seen it all in the world of NFTs.
From #CryptoPunks to Adidas collabs, his journey is nothing short of remarkable.
Join us as we recap his story from a @web3breakdowns episode.
From #CryptoPunks to Adidas collabs, his journey is nothing short of remarkable.
Join us as we recap his story from a @web3breakdowns episode.
@gmoneyNFT @web3breakdowns 1/ GMoney's Story:
He first entered the crypto world in 2017.
But it wasn't until he saw gamers shelling out big bucks for in-game skins on #Fortnite that he returned in 2020.
He first entered the crypto world in 2017.
But it wasn't until he saw gamers shelling out big bucks for in-game skins on #Fortnite that he returned in 2020.
@gmoneyNFT @web3breakdowns 2/ That's when he discovered CryptoPunks and splurged on one for a whopping 140 ETH.
Monday Top Crypto News.
Everything you need to know in one short thread…
Everything you need to know in one short thread…
The new episode of our newsletter was released last night, which includes our take on the current #macro environment.
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1/Today we look at the Greatest Banner Project in Web 3 History
Why will this collection stand the test of time?
"The #MidnightBreeze Manifesto"
A 🧵
Why will this collection stand the test of time?
"The #MidnightBreeze Manifesto"
A 🧵
2/Artist
@Dutchtide is an artist from the Netherlands who
created @DutchtideStudio, a native Multimedia Web3 Design Studio in Sept 2020
@Dutchtide is an artist from the Netherlands who
created @DutchtideStudio, a native Multimedia Web3 Design Studio in Sept 2020
3/Concept
Dutchtide focuses on the Japanese word Ma 間 the concept of negative space
With the aim of bringing Japan and the Netherlands together under one brand
Dutchtide focuses on the Japanese word Ma 間 the concept of negative space
With the aim of bringing Japan and the Netherlands together under one brand
Someone was curious about this in another comment thread, so here I will do my best to explain.
Here's a brief, somewhat technical (or very, depending on your tech knowledge) overview of how #monkeydrainer works.
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Here's a brief, somewhat technical (or very, depending on your tech knowledge) overview of how #monkeydrainer works.
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I am not entirely certain where to start 🤔 hm. We'll cover some basics first - the stuff most are not aware of, however.
1. Monkeydrainer is a phish kit, sometimes I refer to it as a "Wallet-Drainer-as-s-Service" WDaaS?
Interestingly, this is not a paid product.
1. Monkeydrainer is a phish kit, sometimes I refer to it as a "Wallet-Drainer-as-s-Service" WDaaS?
Interestingly, this is not a paid product.
Instead of charging for the kit itself, monkey is known to give the kits out for free to "experienced" phish/ѕсаmmеrs.
How do they make a profit then?
They take a 30% cut automatically, which is a function hardcoded into the kits themselves.
2. How the kit works
How do they make a profit then?
They take a 30% cut automatically, which is a function hardcoded into the kits themselves.
2. How the kit works
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@JPEGd_69 - Maker DAO của ngôi làng NFT đầy tiềm năng
Thread bao gồm:
👉 Tổng quan dự án
👉 Mô hình hoạt động
👉 Sự khác biệt của JPEG'd
👉 Core team
👉 Tokenomics
Retweet để ủng hộ đội ngũ phát triển của @HakResearch nhen cả nhà ơi
@JPEGd_69 - Maker DAO của ngôi làng NFT đầy tiềm năng
Thread bao gồm:
👉 Tổng quan dự án
👉 Mô hình hoạt động
👉 Sự khác biệt của JPEG'd
👉 Core team
👉 Tokenomics
Retweet để ủng hộ đội ngũ phát triển của @HakResearch nhen cả nhà ơi
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👉 Tổng quan dự án
#JPEG’d là một giao thức cho vay phi tập trung trên Ethereum cho phép chủ sở hữu NFT thế chấp tài sản của mình để mint ra PUSd (stablecoin của giao thức) hoặc pETH (tài sản phái sinh Ethereum).
Hiện tại nền tảng JPEG’d chỉ hỗ trợ
👉 Tổng quan dự án
#JPEG’d là một giao thức cho vay phi tập trung trên Ethereum cho phép chủ sở hữu NFT thế chấp tài sản của mình để mint ra PUSd (stablecoin của giao thức) hoặc pETH (tài sản phái sinh Ethereum).
Hiện tại nền tảng JPEG’d chỉ hỗ trợ
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các bộ sưu tập: #CryptoPunks, #EtherRocks, #BAYC, MAYC, Doodles, Azuki, Pudgy Penguins, Clonex, Autolyphs,...
JPEG'd sử dụng cơ chế cho vay giao thức ngang hàng, giá NFT được định giá theo giá sàn và đảm bảo bởi Chainlink Oracles. Điều này có nghĩa là giao thức
các bộ sưu tập: #CryptoPunks, #EtherRocks, #BAYC, MAYC, Doodles, Azuki, Pudgy Penguins, Clonex, Autolyphs,...
JPEG'd sử dụng cơ chế cho vay giao thức ngang hàng, giá NFT được định giá theo giá sàn và đảm bảo bởi Chainlink Oracles. Điều này có nghĩa là giao thức
🚨Massive NFTs have been hacked including multiple #BAYC & #CryptoPunks & #Meetbits of @CryptoNovo311, the total hacked value is $6M+.
We identify the whole process and hacker address, and those funds ended up in @ChangeNOW_io.
We identify the whole process and hacker address, and those funds ended up in @ChangeNOW_io.
Before his NFT got transferred, it seems he approved the hacked collection to
0x8e25ab3382ad5bde35a09e72d3b9a851a7cc8d00 (0x8e)
and then 0x8e transfer all NFT to:
0x43ca3957a188ee03da87d6bed138bcc8d5c3d7a0(0x43)
0x8e25ab3382ad5bde35a09e72d3b9a851a7cc8d00 (0x8e)
and then 0x8e transfer all NFT to:
0x43ca3957a188ee03da87d6bed138bcc8d5c3d7a0(0x43)
0x43 takes all the offers and swapped the $ETH he gets to $ETH and goes to #changenow.
(hacker tries to confuse others but with money flow, you can clearly see where the $ETH goes)
(hacker tries to confuse others but with money flow, you can clearly see where the $ETH goes)
20 tests with AI to increase the resolution INSANITY mode.
From #pixelart to megadetail with #stablediffusion.
Left: "Initial image" VS Right: result "imagined".
I will also explain step by step how you can try yourself! Your head will blow up 🤯
1. Super Mario.
More 🧵👇
From #pixelart to megadetail with #stablediffusion.
Left: "Initial image" VS Right: result "imagined".
I will also explain step by step how you can try yourself! Your head will blow up 🤯
1. Super Mario.
More 🧵👇
2. Guybrush Threepwood.
3. Wizzard.
Introducing @nftperp, a perpetuals futures DEX that allows you to trade blue-chip NFTs without actually owning them.
Built on top of @arbitrum, here are a few reasons why @nftperp is so vital to the NFTs moving forward.
A thread 🧵
Built on top of @arbitrum, here are a few reasons why @nftperp is so vital to the NFTs moving forward.
A thread 🧵
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@nftperp is a Perpetuals Futures DEX that allows you to place LONG or SHORT trades to speculate floor prices of your favorite collections such as #BAYC, #CryptoPunks, #moonbirds, & more.
Utilizing a vAMM architecture, you can also apply up to 5x leverage to your trades.
@nftperp is a Perpetuals Futures DEX that allows you to place LONG or SHORT trades to speculate floor prices of your favorite collections such as #BAYC, #CryptoPunks, #moonbirds, & more.
Utilizing a vAMM architecture, you can also apply up to 5x leverage to your trades.
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If speculating on the floor prices isn’t enough for you, @nftperp also gives you the option to hedge yourself against your own NFTs.
Degens like yourself can only buy low and hope to sell high.
We offer an option to hedge yourself whether in bull or bear markets. 😈
If speculating on the floor prices isn’t enough for you, @nftperp also gives you the option to hedge yourself against your own NFTs.
Degens like yourself can only buy low and hope to sell high.
We offer an option to hedge yourself whether in bull or bear markets. 😈
NFT - Q3 2022 Quarterly Report
The third quarter ended on a not-so-disappointing overview.
For more details, here is the NFT Market Report Q3/2022 and forecast future potentials 👇
#NFT #Web3 #Report #Q3
The third quarter ended on a not-so-disappointing overview.
For more details, here is the NFT Market Report Q3/2022 and forecast future potentials 👇
#NFT #Web3 #Report #Q3
1/ Key Takeaways
+ The problems with the business model of the projects started to go wrong when the number of daily users dropped heavily.
+ Large companies are showing signs of turning away from NFT
+ The problems with the business model of the projects started to go wrong when the number of daily users dropped heavily.
+ Large companies are showing signs of turning away from NFT
2/
+ Fierce competition among NFT Marketplaces is happening
+ Controversy about NFT royalties
+ OpenSea’s policy is still controversial
+ Fierce competition among NFT Marketplaces is happening
+ Controversy about NFT royalties
+ OpenSea’s policy is still controversial
Ever wondered about the most expensive #NFT sales to date? 💸
We've rounded up a list of Top 10 Most Expensive NFTs Ever Sold and found ONE collection dominating the rankings. Can you guess what it is? 🤔👇
We've rounded up a list of Top 10 Most Expensive NFTs Ever Sold and found ONE collection dominating the rankings. Can you guess what it is? 🤔👇
1/ #CryptoPunks (@cryptopunksnfts) make up 50% of the Top 10 Most Expensive NFTs Ever Sold rankings.
2/ The total sale value of all 5 #CryptoPunks in this top 10 list is US$60.8 million. This makes up 19% of the total sale value of all 10 most expensive NFTs ever sold.
10 tests con IA para aumentar la resolución modo LOCURA.
De #pixelart a megadetalle con #stablediffusion. Las img. de la izq. las he utilizado como "Initial image" y las de las der. son el resultado tras ser "imaginadas".
Os va a volar la cabeza 🤯
1. "Super Mario".
Abro 🧵👇
De #pixelart a megadetalle con #stablediffusion. Las img. de la izq. las he utilizado como "Initial image" y las de las der. son el resultado tras ser "imaginadas".
Os va a volar la cabeza 🤯
1. "Super Mario".
Abro 🧵👇
2. Wizzard.
3. Cute girls (varias versiones).
Hey anon, are you still dirt poor? Wagame is here to your rescue, with the fresh new #ImBroke list Part 4
We'll cover potential #airdrops 🪂 as well as free #NFTs 🖼️
Also in this thread: how to get airdrops by playing P2E games 🎮
🤫 #Airdrop #claim in this thread 🧵👇
We'll cover potential #airdrops 🪂 as well as free #NFTs 🖼️
Also in this thread: how to get airdrops by playing P2E games 🎮
🤫 #Airdrop #claim in this thread 🧵👇
Picked up this badass @v1punks for 6.29 ETH today. With V2’s running, the V1’s seems undervalued.
The CryptoPunks history is so interesting. Most people seem to be in the dark, so I’ll do my best to explain things in simple terms. 👇 #Cryptopunks
The CryptoPunks history is so interesting. Most people seem to be in the dark, so I’ll do my best to explain things in simple terms. 👇 #Cryptopunks
In June 2017, Cryptopunks was born. 10,000 Punks were claimed for free by over 100 people.
Soon after, ppl realized there was a bug in the smart contract. Put simply, users could exploit the contract by purchasing a Punk without having to pay any ETH.
Soon after, ppl realized there was a bug in the smart contract. Put simply, users could exploit the contract by purchasing a Punk without having to pay any ETH.
In the days following, @larvalabs issued a new smart contract with no bugs, re-minted all 10,000 Punks and airdropped them to the rightful owners. These are what we know as the @cryptopunksnfts of today.(V2’s)
All 10,000 Punks and their ID’s are identical between both versions.
All 10,000 Punks and their ID’s are identical between both versions.
🧵 THREAD - L'ETAT DU MARCHE DES NFT
L'offre de collections #NFTs est en constante augmentation, alors que la demande a drastiquement diminué depuis le pic de 2021 qui a entraîné un afflux de projets médiocres sur le marché.
Analyse de la situation 👇
L'offre de collections #NFTs est en constante augmentation, alors que la demande a drastiquement diminué depuis le pic de 2021 qui a entraîné un afflux de projets médiocres sur le marché.
Analyse de la situation 👇
1/18 L'indice NFT-500 de @nansen_ai suit l'action globale des prix du marché #NFT.
Le marché haussier🚀s'est terminé en février. En mars, le marché s'est redressé📈avec le lancement du $APE et du #Metaverse #OthersideMeta par le @BoredApeYC
Le marché NFT s'est depuis calmé.🦥
Le marché haussier🚀s'est terminé en février. En mars, le marché s'est redressé📈avec le lancement du $APE et du #Metaverse #OthersideMeta par le @BoredApeYC
Le marché NFT s'est depuis calmé.🦥
2/18 L'intérêt des recherches Google pour les NFT se situe à environ 30 % du pic de janvier.
La baisse 📉 de l'intérêt pour les NFT indique souvent une baisse de la demande des acheteurs et donc moins d'argent entrant sur le marché. 💸
La baisse 📉 de l'intérêt pour les NFT indique souvent une baisse de la demande des acheteurs et donc moins d'argent entrant sur le marché. 💸
🧵 The #EightBitMe PFP Movement
1/ Lots of people think that @eightbit pumped just because of the @kevinrose connection. What a majority of people missed is the history behind it, which is way bigger than that.
What I am about to prove is : ...
#eightbit
1/ Lots of people think that @eightbit pumped just because of the @kevinrose connection. What a majority of people missed is the history behind it, which is way bigger than that.
What I am about to prove is : ...
#eightbit
2/ that #cryptopunks is not the first PFP widely used by crypto people on social media.
And most importantly, not even the first PFP on the blockchain.
And most importantly, not even the first PFP on the blockchain.
3/ The #eightbit app (NON-NFT) is available from 2010 or 2011. People were creating avatars through the generator and using them as their profile picture on social media websites like twitter, github, instagram.
So the app was made purposely for PFP usage
So the app was made purposely for PFP usage
As you have probably already guessed, all four act as wild icons but in contrast to the vast majority of slots, here they can land only on the special #cryptopunks Bar, an #ExtraordinaryYou row situated above the middle four reels.
tree.taiga.io/project/slotop… The motto of the game speaks for itself - when one of the CryptoPunks hits the bar and forms a winning combination with low-paying symbols, it will collect them, increasing the multiplier by 1x for each of the symbols collected. It is possible to land
42e9dbf3efce.simbla-sites.com/Slotpulsa up to two CryptoPunks in the same spin and if they both are part of the same win, their multipliers are multiplied by each other – of up to 30x! However, if a CryptoPunk participates in a win made up of high-paying symbols only, it will be destroyed.
Starting to think that all good @ensdomains are taken?
Think again. In this thread, I list 24 overlooked domain-picking strategies that could make a lot of money in the coming web3
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#ENS $ENS #ENSdomains #domains #web3 #blockchaindomains #NFTdomains #NFTs
Think again. In this thread, I list 24 overlooked domain-picking strategies that could make a lot of money in the coming web3
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#ENS $ENS #ENSdomains #domains #web3 #blockchaindomains #NFTdomains #NFTs
This is the TLDR summary of my insane-long video on ENS picks.
Full video here >>
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Full video here >>
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We all know that 1st names (jake.eth)and iconic dictionary words (gold.eth) are worth a fortune
But there's more to ENS riches than that
This thread is about the names overlooked by investors now (which so are still cheap!) and yet could be worth a lot in the coming #web3
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But there's more to ENS riches than that
This thread is about the names overlooked by investors now (which so are still cheap!) and yet could be worth a lot in the coming #web3
...
How #NFTs can leverage decentralized data storage solutions like @Filecoin @arweave and @nft_storage to be trustlessly verifiable and immutable (A thread)
While NFTs like #boredapes and #cryptopunks gained a lot of media exposure in the past year, the #NFT movement has also received a lot of criticism and scrutiny due to illegitimate projects and rug pulls.
Despite these, NFTs still ride the wave of popularity, with everyone wanting a piece of the pie. Before dismissing it as a fad, however, it's important to note that NFTs actually form the non-fungible asset layer for #Web3––the backbone for new forms of financial instruments.
Hey guys, you heard about #BAYC or #cryptopunks and you ever wanted to start #NFTs #NFT but afraid of #blockchain #cryptos or the tremendous prices of these collections? Here is a thread to tell you how to join the NFT community in an affordable way 1/n
First, choose the ecosystem you want to dig in, #NFTs on ethereum can be sometimes difficult to handle, especially because of transactions fees, so I may advise you to start with a lower gas fee such as #Avalanche @avalancheavax: nice people, low gas fees, fast network 2/n
To begin with, you need #cryptocurrency #Crypto. If you are a newbie, start with a big exchange such as @binance. There is a website and an app: subscribe and you can get cryptos right away with credit card. For Avalanche you need to buy #AVAX 3/n
Hepimizin dilinden düşürmediği Bored Ape NFT koleksiyonu dün resmi olarak #BAYC ekosisteminin tokeni $APE’i duyurdu.
Geçtiğimiz günlerde #CryptoPunks ve Meebits ile partnerlik imzalayan YugaLabs bulunduğumuz günlerde büyük duyurular ile dikkatleri üstüne çekiyor. Yeni duyurular yolda sanıyorum 👀.
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Şirket duyurunun hemen ardından Binance US., Coinbase, FTX, Kraken, Gemini, Huobi listelemelerini duyurdu. Bugün 15:30’da $APE FTX’de, 19:00’da Coinbase’de listelenecek. ( Binance tarihi hatalı olabilir.)
1/ Yoga Labs手下已经持有BYAC、MAYC、BAKC、CryptoPunks、Meebits等诸多NFT蓝筹。Token发行计划又进一步刺激了BAYC等NFT价格的上涨。Opensea 7日交易前五中，Yoga Labs占据四个；Opensea 7日交易前十中，Yoga Labs占据五个，可谓是占据了蓝筹的半壁江山。
2/Yoga Labs以一己之力带动OS牛市回归。也有人称之为Yoga Labs的牛市，其他NFT项目还处在熊市。尤其是地板价在10E左右的NFT项目被吸血，资金进入Yoga布局的“核心蓝筹”。如何看待这种情况？Yoga是否已经形成了NFT项目的中心？其他项目该如何发展？
3/其实，和加密货币一样，NFT的共识也会像某几个核心指标聚集。通过名人、叙事、资本运作和社区推动等，某些NFT会占据圈内绝大多数人员的心智，这些NFT会成为“核心NFT”。就算不是Yoga Labs，也会有其他的项目方，来打造“核心NFT”。
[#THREAD] LES FREE MINT
Certains #NFT atteignent des prix exorbitants … dépassant parfois des centaines de milliers de dollars...
Mais il est possible d'en obtenir gratuitement...
Comment ? Ont-ils de la valeur ?
#NFTs #Crypto #NFTcollector #NFTCommunity #FreeNFT #Giveaway
Certains #NFT atteignent des prix exorbitants … dépassant parfois des centaines de milliers de dollars...
Mais il est possible d'en obtenir gratuitement...
Comment ? Ont-ils de la valeur ?
#NFTs #Crypto #NFTcollector #NFTCommunity #FreeNFT #Giveaway
[Des NFT gratuits ?! 🤔]
Et bien oui ! Les NFT gratuits existe...
Mais cela pose de nombreuses interrogations
Pourquoi faire ? Et ont-ils de la valeur ?
De nombreux exemples ont montrés que certains NFT qui ont été obtenus gratuitement ont prit énormément de valeur ensuite.
Et bien oui ! Les NFT gratuits existe...
Mais cela pose de nombreuses interrogations
Pourquoi faire ? Et ont-ils de la valeur ?
De nombreux exemples ont montrés que certains NFT qui ont été obtenus gratuitement ont prit énormément de valeur ensuite.
N'oublions pas que les #CryptoPunks eux même ont été distribués gratuitement et que certains valent aujourd'hui des millions de dollars...
Mais soyons clair, il y a de grandes chances que les NFT que vous aurez obtenu gratuitement ne prennent aucune valeur mais sait on jamais..
Mais soyons clair, il y a de grandes chances que les NFT que vous aurez obtenu gratuitement ne prennent aucune valeur mais sait on jamais..
